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Julie’s Ideas Blog 23: Symbiosis without Adult

12/4/2018

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In 1992 I showed symbiotic thinking using my own model of internal ego states (see Blog 13) using the way that TA authors typically showed it as Parent and Adult in one person and Child in the other, although I did point out that it involved “possibly Adult, although this ego state may be missing altogether” (Hay, 1992, p.108).
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In the second edition (Hay, 2009) I had amended my diagram to exclude Internal Adult, as shown below.
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Symbiotic Thinking (Hay, 2009, p.119)
​In both the 1992 and 2009 editions of that book, I made it clear that ego states within an organisational hierarchy involve the use of Parent and Child only, bypassing Adult.  I also pointed out that trainers often unwittingly reinforce similar unhelpful patterns.
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A Hierarchy of Ego States (Hay, 1992, p.75 and Hay, 2009, p.85)
​This is in line with the way that Schiff & Contributors (1975) diagrammed ego states when they were illustrating the concept of Frame of Reference, showing that Adult, like Parent and Adapted Child, was an adaptation in the service of the Natural Child. For some reason, they did not use this convention for their diagrams about symbiosis elsewhere in the book; presumably they switched ego state models.
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Structure and Dynamics of Frame of Reference (Schiff & Contribs, 1975, p.51)
With this version of Adult, it makes sense to include it within symbiosis.  It also makes sense if we are describing a healthy symbiosis, if we assume that the baby has only Child ego state and the caregiver puts their own Child needs aside temporarily.
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However, if we are using a model of ego states in which Adult is regarded as being in the here-and-now, it makes no sense to suggest it would take part in an unhealthy symbiosis.
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References

​Hay, Julie (1996) Transactional Analysis for Trainers Watford: Sherwood Publishing

Hay, Julie (2009) Transactional Analysis for Trainers 2nd edition Hertford: Sherwood Publishing

​Schiff, Jacqui & Contributors (1975), Cathexis Reader: Transactional Analysis Treatment of Psychosis, New York: Harper & Row Publishers Inc

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2 Comments
Jeffersonn Moraes link
13/4/2018 13:35:46

Thanks Julie for sharing with us. Something that always come to my mind is the possibility of a symbiotic relation between Parent and Adult-Child. I've never seen this diagramation and I can't figure out why wouldn't be possible. What do you think about it?

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Julie
13/4/2018 14:27:44

Hi Jefferson
that is an interesting thought although my point is that if we are using Adult to mean being in the here-and-now, that ego state cannot be involved in an unhealthy symbiosis. However, if you think about the ego states in terms of the behavioural manifestations, which is what is often confused with what Berne referred to as functional) then I could imagine that a real child might be functioning behaviourally like a logical Adult and with child-like behaviours whilst doing their best to deal with a grown-up who appears to be behaving only from some sort of opinionated Parent ego state.

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